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Old 12-31-2019, 03:14 PM #16
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As long as you don't use the roads or other public property - you can basically do whatever you want to your car.
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so it's already not illegal to modify your vehicle for racing

4 years ago the EPA said something vague that they were going to change this and SEMA got mad. nothing happened, nothing changed.

race vehicles are and have been exempted from the clean air act

nc house and senate reps have entered a bill that does nothing except confirm what is already true

support the bill or not, it's up to you, but this is nothing to get concerned about

also don't count on this going anywhere, the senate version was entered a couple months ago with no action taken (not even sent to committee)
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This is a typical winter "inversion" day where I live. Most of that pollution is from vehicle tail pipes. You can understand why I'm not a fan of emissions cheating. Also why I'm probably leaving Utah.
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I had to smog a brand new Porsche when I moved into CA for reasons unknown, probably Gavin looking for more money to steal to build a train to nowhere.

All this crap is a scam.
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So this thread has degraded to Sovereign Citizens and people who have (for some unknown reason) decided to move to California....
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So this thread has degraded to Sovereign Citizens and people who have (for some unknown reason) decided to move to California....
Can you call yourself a Sovereign Citizen in DC since you have no representation?
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This is a typical winter "inversion" day where I live. Most of that pollution is from vehicle tail pipes. You can understand why I'm not a fan of emissions cheating. Also why I'm probably leaving Utah.
Fortunately i find myself in a state with no "inspections". Can't wait to cut out 2 of the four cats.
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Can you call yourself a Sovereign Citizen in DC since you have no representation?
Well, DC is full of whack-a-doodles, so yes, probably.

On a more serious note, Sovereign Citizens don't believe that the state has authority over them, so representation is immaterial.
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As long as you don't use the roads or other public property - you can basically do whatever you want to your car.
*private property is slight misnomer, it all belongs to the State, or the Feds, and was purchased from France, Spain, or Russia or stolen outright from the Native Americans. The idea that anyone who lives within the US border can be free from US law is stupid, and shows a lack of connection between brain synapses.
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Also, where is the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking?
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I had to smog a brand new Porsche when I moved into CA for reasons unknown, probably Gavin looking for more money to steal to build a train to nowhere.

All this crap is a scam.
Haha! Yeah. But you’re giving Gavin too much credit. I’ve been in CA since 1980, had to smog my out of state car then. All it takes is money for someone to just read your OBDII port, it used to be a treadmill test.
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Haha! Yeah. But you’re giving Gavin too much credit. I’ve been in CA since 1980, had to smog my out of state car then. All it takes is money for someone to just read your OBDII port, it used to be a treadmill test.
Probably because they can't treadmill half the AWD cars out there today without damaging them or launching them through a wall.
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